Main Pop Girl Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 5 hours ago, wordswithsam said: I was actually thinking about this. Might put together some pitches and send them to pop/music publications and see what happens. If you do come up with a mailing list for pop/music publications, would you consider sending it my way? I'd love to know who's interested in this kind of thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocomong Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Apparently she crawls into a tv in the mv. I hope we get a release date soon & a date for the video. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzzyyy Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 500 pages y'all! Congrats, but especially to Ms. McKee for pushing us there 💝 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Main Pop Girl Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, cocomong said: Apparently she crawls into a tv in the mv. I hope we get a release date soon & a date for the video. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordswithsam Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) In terms of another PR angle, I always think back to these Jezebel pieces. They are less than four months apart and are written by the same journalist, Kate Dries. Jezebel was the "feminist" wing of Gawker Media's news platform. The first article is very friendly and recognizes Bonnie's accomplishments behind the scenes. The second is incredibly hostile and snarky - in hindsight, the first article is very uncharacteristic of Gawker's tone, especially when it comes to celebrity. But what I think could be interesting is reframing this as sexism and ageism in Hollywood in the music industry and pop culture media that was still so prevalent in 2013, despite us all pretending that we'd rounded a corner. I don't think it's much better today, but now that Bonnie's outside of the age range for a typical "pop star", it could be an interesting story to tell about how she was only given one song to prove her worth in a time period where the music industry metrics for success were rapidly changing and near impossible to pin down. It would seem wild to discredit a song for peaking at #37 on the Billboard Hot 100 today, but it was a death sentence for Bonnie back then. It might be interesting to pitch it to Kate and Bonnie for a sit-down interview to discuss Jezebel's about-face on Bonnie and the topics of sexism, ageism, and misogyny in pop culture. It looks like Kate is Executive Editor at Dwell Magazine now, so maybe they do a shoot in Bonnie's Hollywood Hills home and Bonnie can ask where Kate's mansion and multiple Billboard #1 plaques are 😅 Edited June 10, 2023 by wordswithsam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Diameter Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, wordswithsam said: In terms of another PR angle, I always think back to these Jezebel pieces. They are less than four months apart and are written by the same journalist, Kate Dries. Jezebel was the "feminist" wing of Gawker Media's news platform. The first article is very friendly and recognizes Bonnie's accomplishments behind the scenes. The second is incredibly hostile and snarky - in hindsight, the first article is very uncharacteristic of Gawker's tone, especially when it comes to celebrity. But what I think could be interesting is reframing this as sexism and ageism in Hollywood in the music industry and pop culture media that was still so prevalent in 2013, despite us all pretending that we'd rounded a corner. I don't think it's much better today, but now that Bonnie's outside of the age range for a typical "pop star", it could be an interesting story to tell about how she was only given one song to prove her worth in a time period where the music industry metrics for success were rapidly changing and near impossible to pin down. It would seem wild to discredit a song for peaking at #37 on the Billboard Hot 100 today, but it was a death sentence for Bonnie back then. It might be interesting to pitch it to Kate and Bonnie for a sit-down interview to discuss Jezebel's about-face on Bonnie and the topics of sexism, ageism, and misogyny in pop culture. It looks like Kate is Executive Editor at Dwell Magazine now, so maybe they do a shoot in Bonnie's Hollywood Hills home and Bonnie can ask where Kate's mansion and multiple Billboard #1 plaques are 😅 I just want you to know as a fellow bonbon, that I really appreciate the level of thought, scope and considered insight you are giving this. Additionally, I would like to give everyone a very timely reminder that we are the audience for these platforms! if we have any kind of issue with the tone or angle of the launch and subsequent album roll-out, we absolutely have the means at our disposal in 2023 to make it very clear to any media platforms in real-time, that we will boycott them in future unless they sharply adjust their angle/ tone and instead adopt one of positivity. It’s worth pointing out that sometimes online articles get re-written and framed more positively, prior to physical publication if initial online feedback regarding a journalists writing is deemed to be sloppy, overtly negative or prejudicial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Diameter Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) I absolutely love Bonnie’s look, however having lived through painful situations where talented females have missed the mark with their look (with damaging long term consequences to their careers as a result) - and in order to prevent this being a weakness for Bonnie, with the specific intention of getting straight females on-side, I feel Bonnie needs to adopt a softer, more flowery, ‘hippie’ style look (possibly ‘boho chic’, 70’s inspired) with less emphasis on flesh flashing. Also, vintage ‘T’ Shirts with logo, fluffy pastel colored cardigans paired with denims, heels and a little understated ‘bling’ are fine! There is nothing inclined to alienate straight females more (and therefore a complete demographic), than flesh exposure! The angle I believe Bonnie needs to adopt is that of being a “woman’s woman” and not a “man’s woman”. (The ‘She-Ra’ superhero look for the video is totally fine, would totally work for P.A’s in gay clubs and is clearly ‘show’ clothes). External of that video persona (and image wise generally), being a “man’s woman” in music, never ends well! Edited June 10, 2023 by Dax Diameter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzzyyy Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Dax Diameter said: I absolutely love Bonnie’s look, however having lived through painful situations where talented females have missed the mark with their look (with damaging long term consequences to their careers as a result) - and in order to prevent this being a weakness for Bonnie, with the specific intention of getting straight females on-side, I feel Bonnie needs to adopt a softer, more flowery, ‘hippie’ style look (possibly ‘boho chic’, 70’s inspired) with less emphasis on flesh flashing. Also, vintage ‘T’ Shirts with logo, fluffy pastel colored cardigans paired with denims, heels and a little understated ‘bling’ are fine! There is nothing inclined to alienate straight females more (and therefore a complete demographic), than flesh exposure! The angle I believe Bonnie needs to adopt is that of being a “woman’s woman” and not a “man’s woman”. (The ‘She-Ra’ superhero look for the video is totally fine, would totally work for P.A’s in gay clubs and is clearly ‘show’ clothes). External of that video persona (and image wise generally), being a “man’s woman” in music, never ends well! I think that gay men shouldn't comment on women's appearances... thought y'all liked men 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Diameter Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, izzzyyy said: I think that gay men shouldn't comment on women's appearances... thought y'all liked men Haven't you got something to watch on Fox News? I think my past defense of Mutya Buena speaks for itself. Marketing has zero to do with sexual attraction. Pop music is a business and my comment was on clothes styling and visual marketing in context of maximising demographic appeal (and most styling in the music industry is curated and assembled by gay guys for a reason). When styling is left to straight people, this is what happens: Edited June 11, 2023 by Dax Diameter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ice Prince Posted June 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2023 Not this discussion over how a woman looks on the 500th page please... Bonnie looks fantastic and she can pull ANY look she likes. She's been making bop after bop after bop (we're witness of that) and the artwork is so stunning so what's the matter. If anything, I wish we could have an album booklet with like 50 different looks or something, her visual artistry is unbeatable. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Diameter Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Ice Prince said: Not this discussion over how a woman looks on the 500th page please... Bonnie looks fantastic and she can pull ANY look she likes. She's been making bop after bop after bop (we're witness of that) and the artwork is so stunning so what's the matter. If anything, I wish we could have an album booklet with like 50 different looks or something, her visual artistry is unbeatable. You are missing the point completely. Stylists get paid a lot of money for a reason! Product Place Price Promotion Don’t ever try and get a job in marketing 😂 Edited June 10, 2023 by Dax Diameter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
low kii savage Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, Dax Diameter said: Don’t ever try and get a job in marketing 😂 That edit was so unnecessary That being said, don't ever try and get a job as graphic designer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtooz18 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Dax Diameter said: I absolutely love Bonnie’s look, however having lived through painful situations where talented females have missed the mark with their look (with damaging long term consequences to their careers as a result) - and in order to prevent this being a weakness for Bonnie, with the specific intention of getting straight females on-side, I feel Bonnie needs to adopt a softer, more flowery, ‘hippie’ style look (possibly ‘boho chic’, 70’s inspired) with less emphasis on flesh flashing. Also, vintage ‘T’ Shirts with logo, fluffy pastel colored cardigans paired with denims, heels and a little understated ‘bling’ are fine! There is nothing inclined to alienate straight females more (and therefore a complete demographic), than flesh exposure! The angle I believe Bonnie needs to adopt is that of being a “woman’s woman” and not a “man’s woman”. (The ‘She-Ra’ superhero look for the video is totally fine, would totally work for P.A’s in gay clubs and is clearly ‘show’ clothes). External of that video persona (and image wise generally), being a “man’s woman” in music, never ends well! I don’t remember Britney or Christina alienating a female fan base using “flesh exposure”? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zaynphallic Posted June 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2023 Yeah, what we're not gonna do is tell Bonnie – a 39 year old woman – how she should dress. Anyway, just 11 DAYS to go now folks. It's amazing how far we've come. Cheers to 500 pages, it's been such a fun and wild ride! Who would have thought even just a year ago that "SLAY" would finally be (officially) released into the world. If it weren't for us (she's mentioned the "forums" multiple times) it may have never happened. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Diameter Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, low kii savage said: That being said, don't ever try and get a job as graphic designer 24 minutes ago, low kii savage said: That edit was so unnecessary Yours is though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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