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Lucas basically used his wiki page as social media. If you go back to the edit histories on wiki, you might be able to see if it was ever on there (along with some hilarious comments from Lucas being pissed off about wiki/people constantly changing his page). The info must've come from somewhere, never in a million years would I listen to that track and go "oh that has to be a Big Time Rush demo...", so that's probably the first place to check. If it was on MySpace, which Lucas also edited all the time, it's probably not retraceable.

Hm interesting...you're saying Jade initially was sent a CD full of rejected tracks, instead of the ones that were selected for the album? So there's probably a decent amount of tracks that were actually recorded... So what is there known that was recorded? I can think of: Better Than Love Firefly Killer On The Run Lincoln Continental 2 x Crystal Nicole/Syience 2 x RedOne I'm Not Just A Girl ??? (not sure if they actually recorded it) Never Look Back & Tetris ??? (think these were done after Sweet 7 but I'm not 100% sure) And then there are probably at least a few more StarGate & Brian Kennedy tracks. Pretty sure there should be at least 1 James Fauntleroy/Brian Kennedy track. I used to assume that would be Firefly, but it seems this is most likely the Sugababes track: I know that they supposedly 'had 10 Ne-Yo songs to pick from, but only got to record one'. But I have no idea where that info even came from. Seems like a random way to select a song, especially on an album that's so heavily fabricated by Sugababes standards. But who in their right mind would pick No More You over Lincoln Continental? Such a boring track, especially the Sugababes version. The original instrumental actually had a bit of a Sugababes-vibe and they went with a boring piano ballad version. Obviously, I don't know which songs were available to them, but there were definitely much better Ne-Yo/StarGate tracks that leaked around that time. Come to think of it, the only really good StarGate track that album had IMO was Thank You For The Heartbreak, which is a fucking underrated gem of a track, that somehow just got buried in the mediocre messiness that is Sweet 7. I'm guessing the label figured Lincoln Continental was too much like TYFTH though, and they were probably lacking slower songs that worked well with vocal harmonies so they went with No More You. It's crazy how big that album seemed when they were working on it and...what we actually got.

Supposedly they never recorded that track.

Happened upon this track marked as a Big Time Rush demo on my hd a while ago. Figured I'd check if it was in here, but it doesn't seem to be and a quick google search didn't come up with any info about them having a track with that title. Not sure if it's registered as a Big Time Rush track anywhere and it kinda sounds like it might've been written for the Backstreet Boys. But I reckon that most of the tracks they recorded were pre-existing tracks not specifically written for them anyway. I doubt it was tagged as a demo for them, and I'm really not into August or BTR honestly. So I'm guessing the info about it being a BTR demo probably came from Lucas Secon's Myspace or his wiki page back in the day: August Rigo - Burnin' [Lucas Secon & Mintman] https://onlyfiles.io/f/0b0e3ef762ed429b92ae2e586e1b7090

I can probably help a bit with that. I've been meaning to DM you both about it actually, but...I sort of half started doing a discography and then stopped like 20 times. I've been kinda busy, got a holiday now but I do have a lot of stuff to do. Thing is...a lot of info I possibly have would be scattered throughout messy text files, I'd probably have to check publishing sites etc (which have become more and more closed to the public over the years unfortunately)...like I said when I posted Makeba's version of War Of The Worlds, the proper Bonnie discography I had is literally 10 years old. This is just a small part of my life and it's a big undertaking to do a full discography, and honestly I probably should be spending my time on other more important stuff 😂 I'm a lot more focused on her pitches etc than her solo stuff. But I can probably help with some credits, song titles that are registered but not in the obvious places, probably some info on collabos that were talked about throughout the years (like late 00s/early 10s mostly), maybe determining what year certain songs are from etc. There probably won't be a source (anymore) for a lot of the info that's in my text files though.

HappyForever shared it about 2 weeks ago: It clearly sounds way too much like Selfish (both Sandy Vee) to actually be on the album, and IMO Selfish is the superior track. But it's still hot AF.

She might wanna consider just selling whatever hasn't leaked yet to her fans on the streetcorner of IG. At least that way she'll make some money from something other than the royalties from 2010, maybe she can hire some editors and engineers or something. Sorry but if people are really expecting an album release that evidently depends on the success of a single that's literally been 10 years in the making (and not just 'a' single - THAT single) by an artist that's apparently spent every second of the last decade mixing her own tracks and shooting & editing her own music videos (when she wasn't being a groupie or playing 21 year old party girl)...y'all properly fucked.

Obviously Kiss Kiss Bang Bang & Guilty Pleasure... I would say DNA was for Katy Perry or possibly Ke$ha? It's giving me 0 Britney vibes TBH and Bonnie's doing that sort of deep throaty Alanis Morisette thing that they both love to do. Bonnie does sing like that a bit sometimes, but she seems to be really emphasizing it on that track. Based on the verses & chorus I'd say 'obviously Katy Perry', but the whole "feel it in my body" bit seems a bit out of place and sounds a lot more like something Ke$ha might do back then. It's entirely possible that it wasn't written specifically for either of course, but done during a random session that they wrote tracks for no one in particular, or for multiple artists at the same time. It's not the norm, but it does happen that writers/producers do tracks that might appeal to several artists that they're set to work with. So they'll throw in a little Britney but also a bit of Rihanna, for example. Or perhaps it started as a Katy Perry track, got rejected and it given to Ke$ha, had no b-section, or it was changed or something. Also...I'm pretty sure that Oligee is the main producer on DNA. That whole melody is so him. Luke probably re-worked the track, which was his MO especially during the Teenage Dream era. His (Prescription) producers would make a track and he'd re-work it into something more radio-friendly, sometimes barely changing a thing and just switching some shit around, other times completely overhauling the track.

For anyone that would like to know, if it wasn't obvious...Guilty Pleasure is Bonnie/Sandy Vee. When I started listening I figured it was probably a Jennifer Lopez pitch, just from the sound of it and Sandy Vee did at least 2 tracks with Claude Kelly for Love?... BUT all the ad-libbing towards the end, especially those "uh-oh-whoa-oh-oh"s right at the very end sound mighty Britney...which is kinda strange, cause Bonnie never really seems to do very Britney-esque ad-libbing etc on her demos for her. But she seems to be really going for it here. Either way, one of the best of all the leaks in my book, thanks a lot for this! Really hope the other Sandy Vee tracks leak as well... So...not a new leak or anything, but back in 2011 the same instrumental was also used on a track by Range, who was on StarGate/Roc Nation's Star Roc label at the time but according to himself, kinda fucked up his deal before really releasing anything aside from a mixtape. I believe Range said he wrote this, but I think LaShawn Daniels probably co-wrote it. He also said it was produced by David Guetta though, which I always assumed was a fuck up, but I did also kind of assume this was StarGate/Sandy Vee, not Sandy Vee solo. Anyway, pretty solid track from that era: Range - Supersonic [Sandy Vee] https://onlyfiles.io/f/1fbb41223bad46c4acf635779e7af427

Here's Shanna's demo to Blink: https://onlyfiles.io/f/7c4dc95ad00c4e30b1337ca7dd468b51

Also Claude Kelly. Pretty sure it's Luke Walker on BG vocals though.

For some reason that kinda makes me think of how female rappers are always saying shit like "oh guys rap/sing about this stuff all the time and no one bats an eye" when the truth is that, aside from a handful of coked up new jack swing dudes in the 80s, pretty much no mainstream singer or rapper ever gets as explicit or filthy as the average female rapper, let alone have 90% of their songs be about sex? And aside from a few R&B singers that can actually also sing (and Peter Andre), there aren't a lot of male artists I can think of that actually built a somewhat steady career and fanbase mostly based on their looks and bodies. Obviously Justin Bieber & Justin Timberlake's success greatly stems from teen girls being swoon, but theystayed relevant through their music. God knows that's true about Bieber at the very least... So yeah...be emancipated and whip that cock out, Shawn. Nobody wants to hear you whine, at least not into a mic and not with those clothes on. Charlie doesn't look like he'd do much damage, and although Shawn also seems like a total bottom, at least we know his pants are crowded. He'll learn how to top properly once he starts getting hungry 🙂

I have literally dozens and dozens of possible rejects/demos/titles etc, and I'll probably never get to properly index them (like down to if they're confirmed or how likely they are etc). It seems to be missing some obvious confirmed ones like Girls Aloud - Graffiti My Soul and Kelis - Milkshake... I'm also pretty sure that some of the songs are under the wrong era...like The Diary Of is without a doubt a Circus reject, not Blackout. It's very obvious just from the sound of it compared to other Bloodshy & Avant productions. Michelle & Peter Wade did 2 other tracks with Bloodshy & Avant at that time, "Beware" & "Potential", so it's very possible those were also for Circus. Anyway, I guess I'll just post a bunch of confirmed and IMO pretty obvious pitches, starting with Femme Fatale (since there's so fucking many): Alesha Dixon - Download Me [Alex Cantrall, Dwight Johnson, Laze & Royal] https://onlyfiles.io/f/85148f55d6d940b383a4d2ad2080c9ef Not much to say, seems pretty obvious. Pretty bad track. Alesha Dixon - On Top [Heather Bright, The Stereotypes] https://onlyfiles.io/f/427fac0bad8e4910ad197460256583e1 Ditto. Pretty fucking good track though. It's weird how much it actually sounds like this is just Heather Bright's demo? I would love to hear that to see how many of Alesha's vocals are even on here. It's like they accidentally put the wrong mix on the album or something. Ask Embla - Father's Eyes [Ina Wroldsen, Arnthor] https://onlyfiles.io/f/f97630a66d9044e0a05d659b780add2e Was registered as a Britney track long before they released it as Ask Embla. A lot of their other songs sound like Britney tracks, but I think Ina has denied any of them are. Bebe Rexha - Some Girls -> Madonna [Klas Åhlund & Diplo] https://onlyfiles.io/f/8683f28c7d2f4605b81a5059097e932e Although Diplo's credit got lost, he definitely originally did this track with Klas for Femme Fatale. There's another track by the both of them called "Satellite" that was registered at the same time and was most likely also a Britney pitch and probably reffed by Bebe. William Orbit ended up re-working this and Love Spent and placing them on Madonna's MDNA album. Bonnie McKee - Psycho [Play Rough] [Bonnie McKee, Neon Hitch, ...] https://onlyfiles.io/f/3010eca98aa043b1ab0c27c6e3d86142 Plenty of the recent Bonnie leaks sound like possible Britney pitches, but this one seems pretty obvious IMO. Chasity Nwagbara - Drop My Name [Alex Da Kid] https://onlyfiles.io/f/c99313027330411f868508686b9c8c30 Supposedly an early Femme Fatale demo. Definitely possible, but Chasity's voice is pretty similar to Britney's, so it's hard to say. She obviously has written for her, but if you want to, you can hear Britney in most of her songs. Uses the same instrumental as the not-for-Britney Frankie Storm track "Armageddon". Claude Kelly - Beat Junkie [Clip] [Claude Kelly, Lindy Robbins, Mike Elizondo] https://onlyfiles.io/f/896ff4cbc03548679e7a2ab5dd7e9744 Seems to have been written at the Texas FF writing camp. Claude Kelly - No Boys Allowed [Studio Session] [Clip] [Danja?] https://onlyfiles.io/f/ac05793d8fa04e14abb728630772cf76 Not sure where this came from, some interview with Claude or something - does anyone know? Dizzee Rascal - Bad Behaviour Feat Tiësto [Dizzee Rascal, Danja & Tiësto] https://onlyfiles.io/f/aca988609d1e49d7b7036ad01a05706d I've seen this registered as a Britney track, and Tiesto/Danja sessions were confirmed. Pretty sure Tiesto's album from that time has some other random Britney spitbacks. If this was originally for Britney, it's probably been changed up a bit. Eric Bellinger - What I'm About [Danja] https://onlyfiles.io/f/4c75037b8da64395864564053914b15a Intro says it all. Genie Zhuo - Fan Pai [Villain] [Kara DioGuardi, Nicole Morier, Henrik Jonback, Bloodshy & Avant] https://onlyfiles.io/f/860c2e404f514cc4a52f9af82d99cc15 Originally titled "Anything But Your Girlfriend". Heather Bright - Crash [Clip] [Heather Bright, Stef & Mango] https://onlyfiles.io/f/f16fe101d5634e8f88c2ee8b3caf63a2 'Nobody' probably has this...got a clip from a publishing site years ago. Said nothing about Britney or anything, but it sounds a lot like a track for her. Mango previously worked with Britney on Toy Soldier and even as far back as 2005, doing programming on Mona Lisa. Heather doesn't usually sound a lot like Britney, she seems to be really trying on this track, though. So this seems pretty likely IMO. hitomi - Freedom [hitomi] [Makeba Riddick, Scott Cutler, Anne Preven & Kevin Rudolf] https://onlyfiles.io/f/045c52346d6544d19401327d1df96ddb There's a bunch of tracks on that album that could've been for Britney, but this one seems pretty obvious. Indigo Brown - Watch Me Go [Misha Bryan, Kingsley Brown, Cutfather, Peter Wallevik & Daniel Davidsen] https://onlyfiles.io/f/ff97fc15ec6241c6a25117f1affc790d As I recall this was on their Soundcloud years ago and it was mentioned it was written for Britney. Jeffree Star - In My Pocket [Heather Bright, Kelly Sheehan, Sandy Vee & Azengo] https://onlyfiles.io/f/fce50c14e03445edaf5aaeb81d1ff2fb Never hear anyone mention this amazing track ever anywhere, sure sounds a shitload like a Britney track to me though. What a waste of an exceptional track... Lauren Christy - Breathing -> Jason Derulo [Lauren Christy, Julian Bunetta, Jacob Luttrell & DJ Frank E] https://onlyfiles.io/f/604e6f93fb554ef59cd5276fa4a353a6 Rumored to be a Britney demo, not sure where that came from but it seems pretty likely this was done along with Tonight I'm Fucking You. Little Majorette - Never Be The Same https://onlyfiles.io/f/ca6114d9cb1b4a6ab630524667f98905 Little Majorette was Avant's brother Petter's former band. They're both members of Amason now. Even though this was officially released in 2011, the track had been out since 2009 or so on their MySpace. Anyway, supposedly Britney was interested in recording this track, IIRC that came from some Swedish music site. A few years later this remix came out: Karlsson & Winnberg - Hearts Beating Weak [Never Be The Same] Feat Little Majorette https://onlyfiles.io/f/85732eae6e2f4c829484cf6bc63761c6 It sounds pretty...remix-y. But it lends credence to it having been a contender for Britney and having been re-worked by Bloodshy & Avant, and then re-worked further still into the Karlsson & Winnberg version. Livvi Franc - High [Livvi Franc, Lucas Secon] https://onlyfiles.io/f/10115e2dff1b4524b4895dbe8a085caa Not confirmed in any way but Livvi was working alot with Lucas around that time, and Lucas was obviously pitching tracks to her other than It's A Secret & King Of My Castle. Frankie Storm mentioned that Heads Up wasn't written for Britney or anyone in particular, but she thought that it was pitched to her. It's also likely that at least Frankie did some other tracks with him for Britney at the time, and there are probably more with other writers. Technically those might be for her greatest hits or #1 or whatever album at the time, but I chalk those under Femme Fatale. Livvi Franc - Peep Show [Livvi Franc, Heather Bright, ...] https://onlyfiles.io/f/5f11444942474b16903fa623c28706d5 Livvi has mentioned that she did a raunchier track than Toxic or Trouble For Me, the title of which wasn't known. I think it might be this. If true, that would make this (at least) the 3rd Britney pitch called "Peep Show"...which might explain why the Ester Dean/StarGate & Sandy Vee track was referred to as I Need A Change. Livvi Franc - Timebomb [Livvi Franc, Heather Bright, The Writing Camp, Fraser T Smith] https://onlyfiles.io/f/9bdc7fc22c2348e1ab87786bc151b291 Not confirmed but I've assumed it was for Britney since I first heard it, and I've seen it mentioned as a Britney pitch a lot recently. The whole "I'm like a machine, I'm an automatic fiend" thing just screams Britney. Neon Hitch - Alien [Neon Hitch, Claude Kelly, benny blanco] https://onlyfiles.io/f/6c433aa4c122432792fe160bdf8ba4a0 Just a hunch. Neon Hitch - Gun Shy [Clip] [Neon Hitch, Evan 'Kidd' Bogart, Oak & Pop] https://onlyfiles.io/f/c4e0aa51201a4d0b9c7aa262969d032f From the Texas writing camp. Priscilla Renea - Love Spent -> Madonna [Priscilla Renea, Alain Whyte, Free School] https://onlyfiles.io/f/a1b765653aeb4d71b5a480541b7ced8d Never see this mentioned as a Britney track...it's like no one who's heard of Britney has ever heard Priscilla's demo. Victoria Justice - Caught Up In You [Victoria Justice, Lindy Robbins, Evan 'Kidd' Bogart, Fraser T Smith] https://onlyfiles.io/f/22fddc122b3a470c844307a888a5711e Suspect this was also written during the Texas Femme Fatale writing camp and Victoria's credit was later added. I used to have a huge list with tons of titles of tracks that were written during the Texas writing camp but I'm pretty sure it was lost when my laptop died a few years ago. We never got titles for these, but there is definitely at least 1 track written by Bonnie McKee & produced by Danja, and 1 track written by Bonnie & Jewel.

Wait I thought you had to be 13+ to have a TikTok account? Seriously though - he actually has hair on his body? I mean, you can literally count the hairs but still, that's breaking news. What will become of him when he's gone all the way through puberty in a couple of years and his balls have dropped and he can't hit them castrato notes no more? His singing career is already over, before that even happened... I guess maybe he's aware of all that and that's why he's so desperately solliciting himself? Still, it all feels kinda wrong. Like a little boy dressing up in his father's clothes while choking on a stolen cigarette... 🤢

I was just looking into an old text file on my hard disk just now that was last edited May 2nd 2011 and apparently I already knew about Bonnie's version of War Of The Worlds back then. So it's at least that old.

Thank you, good sir! Yeah, like I thought - same script, different cast. Makeba Riddick - War Of The Worlds https://onlyfiles.io/f/255c5a6fcdc44e7d8f336883c70ff4a2 I THINK this leaked back in 2011...not 100% sure, but it would've been '12 at the latest and probably '10 at the earliest. I'm pretty sure it was written at one of Denise Rich's annual writing camps in Aspen. I don't think those writing camps were usually really for specific artists (Panic! At The Disco's High Hopes is a very random track that written at one of those writing camps for example, obviously not written for them and probably not anyone in particular). That doesn't mean the writers/producers never made tracks with specific artists in minds of course. I know Makeba has always wanted to make the cut on a Kelly Clarkson album, I'm guessing this may have been written with her in mind.

So...War Of The Worlds apparently leaked but I can't find it anywhere? Looking at the lyrics on Genius, they're exactly the same as a track with that title I've had for like 10 years. I was wondering if that was one and the same track when I saw the title as a Bonnie track...so assuming that recently leaked track is in fact Bonnie on vocals, I probably have another (demo) version of it. So...if anyone could post a link to Bonnie's War Of The Worlds, I can compare the two and if the one I've got is any different I'll share that as well.

...is it even Bonnie on main vocals on Light Up The Night? Maybe it's just me or maybe she just sounds a little off but... 🤨

I always kinda thought that this was written by Livvi Franc (which might still be the case, since they've worked together on numerous occassions over the years, worked with a lot of the same artists, producers & writers etc). Never considered Bonnie, but listening to it again it could VERY well be the Bonnie track... Reminds me quite a bit of tracks like It Is What It Is and a bit of My So Called Life. This was also produced by Soulshock and from 2010 so...bonus points if anyone recognizes it afddm.mp3

I never noticed that title, Demolition Man...anyone know anything about that? I just might have that track, recorded by someone else...

I was gonna do a big post here with some info on some of the tracks but it was messy and too much work and I'm lazy, and then didn't feel like logging in for like a month. So anyway, I'm not sure if I'm misreading the list or Bambi missed it or just not mentioned this or what. But Robyn Troup - Poseur did leak. I actually leaked it years ago as a Bonnie track, cause that's what the site said and this was before we really had Bonnie demo leaks. Robyn Troup - Poseur [Bonnie McKee, Robyn Troup, Mladen] https://onlyfiles.io/f/415f6e7fcc554187acd7a278822dda4d Also, about artists and the rights to songs...I could write a whole essay even though I'm not really an expert (and I did start an essay but got tired of it). But long story short: an artist owning the rights to the masters of their songs does not necessarily give them the right to use those songs as they please. When songs don't get acquired or aren't released initially (within the terms of the contract, which is usually about 3 years), those songs are owned by the writers (and their publishers). In pop music, this generally means that the producer(s) own(s) 50% of the song (since most of the time they composed the music, and the writer(s) wrote the topline to that track). They're usually the ones that get to decide what happens to tracks that remain unreleased, to put it very simply. It depends on the contract of course, and since most of the tracks were written specifically for her as an artist with producers she knows well, most of them aren't that likely to be heavily shopped around. But for Bonnie to shop them around or release them herself, she would probably still have to go through the regular channels to actually license those songs?

OK this site can now officially be called PopHatesBonnie... 🤦‍♂️ So I get the impression that there's not too much known about most of the tracks off that list. They seem to be mostly demos for other artists, but there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of info on who they're for, co-writers/producers etc. But nothing ventured... Does anybody know if her demos to the tracks she wrote for Agnes & the Stunners (about 10 years back) are on that list or circulating? Also, is there like a Bonnie megapost or something that also has 'all' the tracks she wrote for other people?

Well it was a writing camp organized by Max Martin that a lot of his MxM people and Luke's Rx signees + a bunch of regular collaborators would've attended. I can't really find the specifics about it anymore (not that much was said about it), but I think it was held in LA at the very same time that another big writing camp for Rihanna was held in LA (most likely a 'StarGate-based' one around Grammy week). So they would've had like a big studio complex for a week or a few days or so, with writers/producers going in and out of different rooms. I think Bonnie's probably a fast writer, so she probably wrote plenty of songs during that time. And if they had session singers that sounded like Rihanna, they might as well use them. Judging by the sound of the song I'd say she probably wrote the majority of it too, but it's not like I have any idea what Jakke Erixson's sound is and Savan Kotecha is kind of generic, not instantly recognizable, at least to me. So it's not like she would just write a few lines and then go home, it's just that they'd have the luxury of session singers. So especially with a big writing camp, it could've gone either way - Bonnie doing a quick rough cut as a reference for the session singers, but she could've just sang the song for the singers and added BG vocals as an extra layer. Sometimes it makes sense for a writer that's perfectly capable of laying down vocals themselves to use a session singer anyway - if it's written for a different gender or it's for a big artist with a very recognizable sound, Back in the day writers would often mention how especially Britney's people could never hear her doing a submitted song unless the demo vocalist sounded 'exactly' like Britney. That must've changed over time, but some A&R's might still lack imagination.

Eat shit ? ?

I guess it must've been a very early incarnation of the album, basically like a completely different project than what we actually got. Assuming it was done at that Rihanna writing camp, it's possible they just used the session singers available since they sound much more like her. But I would think at least a Bonnie demo for Christina's version exists?